I published a piece recently about the various incidents of Islam inspired Jew hatred that have gone on in the UK. These incidents, such as a Muslim activist threatening to kill dogs whilst a senior police officer just nods and simpers, Muslims using a video truck in a residential street in Golders Green in London to intimidate Jews and a gang of mostly Muslim men shouting ‘we want Zionist blood’, are shocking and are of a level and a type that are reminiscent of the post war Moselyite outrages against British Jews.
These Islamist Jew haters may even be worse than the Moselyite mobs of the late 40’s and 1950’s (these Mosleyite groups were countered at the time quite effectively by the Jewish self defence organisation the 43 Group) as although the Moselyites might beat up the occasional Jew, or smash up a Jewish shop, these Islamists go far beyond that, they are instead hell bent on murdering Jews and want to do so in the name of their religion. Although the Moselyites were bad, it’s likely that they would have stopped short of murder or mass murder, the same cannot be said for the Islamists. They want Jews dead and are deranged enough to carry out their threats.
Whilst the videos that I put up about the Islamic Jew haters are shocking in and of themselves, what is starting to come out with regards background information about some of the incidents is much worse.
The video below is from a Jewish organisation called the Israel Advocacy Movement. I’m familiar with this group and it’s pretty middle of the road as groups go. It’s in no way extreme or Kahanist or anything like that. It advocates for the State of Israel, debunks myths about Judaism and Israel, occasionally mocks idiotic Jewish Leftists like Bernie Sanders, engages in respectful debates and generally brings people, sometimes of disparate views, together. I say this about them so that nobody gets the wrong idea about them and thinks that they are extremists or in any way ‘out there’. They are not given to hyperbole which is why when a group like this issues warnings or highlights problems, I’m tempted to listen.
In the video the IAM presenter talks about how a pro Israel rally on Sunday was attacked by counter protestors who look to me to be mostly Muslim. The video clarifies the ‘I’ll kill the dogs’ incident and states that the dogs were not police dogs as some, including myself, had initially assumed based on what we’d seen at that point, but dogs belonging to some Jews who were attending the pro Israel rally but who got lost and ended up in the middle of a bunch of Muslim ‘Palestine’ protestors. The lost Jews were attacked and had to be rescued by police. The police did well to rescue these Jews but IAM is quite right to excoriate the Met for failing to arrest or deal appropriately with those Muslims who were quite plainly inciting violence by calling for ‘Zionist blood’.
Watch the video and you can get some idea of how serious is the problem we are having in Britain and how by appeasement of Islam the political classes have brought about a situation where Jewish Britons are not safe on British streets. Such appeasement and the inherent antisemitism of a Leftist culture that controls many of of the levers of power have created a situation where we are now at the point where groups like IAM have to say ‘there’s no future for Jews in Britain’.
That is deeply disturbing, but sadly unsurprising in that anyone who doesn’t watch the BBC and other MSM knows that orthodox (not “extremist”) Muslims are gaining ground all the time.
There is nothing “extreme” about virulent antisemitism in Islam, or violence to further Islam, or anything else that those people who have read the Islamic sources find so objectionable. All such attitudes, behaviours and actions can be traced back to Mohammed and his band of cutthroats.
Muslims who follow this are fundamentalists in that they adhere to the fundamentals of Islam (hatred of the non-Muslim etc.), they are radicals in the proper sense that their beliefs etc. go “to the root” of Islamic doctrine, but they are NOT extremists – their beliefs are not “fringe” beliefs within the ambit of Islam; they are, to borrow ECAWs description, centrists in that their beliefs and attitudes come from the centre of Islam – its canonical scripture.
Thus I always term them “orthodox”, a non-perjorative and accurate description.
There are many reasons why such attitudes and beliefs are unchallenged in this (and most other Countries) including:
(1) We never hold orthodox Muslims to the same standards of behaviour as civilised people. We see this both on the individual level and the national level where Hamas et al are not held to the same standards as Israel. The acceptance of the narrative by most that such attitudes are those of a “lunatic fringe” (“extremist”) means that their “lunacy” gives them a pass on proper behaviour (hence also the insistence that Islamic terrorist are “mentally ill” – we can’t hold a nutcase responsible for their actions, now can we).
(2) Politicians and Police are already frightened by the potential for violence of the Muslim mob, in the UK this goes back to Salman Rushdie and the “Satanic verses” and there have been other instances of “insults” that have resulted in the murder of non-Muslims by the Muslim mob – an event that is all to frequent in the Muslim world or course, hence neither threats nor actual Muslim violence is not confronted which only further emboldens and makes the situation worse – a vicious spiral. (Slightly tongue in cheek, but I suppose if all the Muslims who are guilty of incitement were arrested an imprisoned out prisons could not cope with the thousands. Then again there are quite a number of uninhabited Islands off the Scottish coast.)
(3)Courtesy of the APPG there is now a de facto blasphemy law in the Country. Say something nasty about Muslims on unSocial media and Khan’s “hate crime team” or similar will have a word. So most people are now too worried to say anything especially when a “non-crime hate incident” goes on your criminal record, so the mere accusation of “hate” gets you a criminal record. Think about that for a moment: a NON-crime goes on your CRIMINAL record. Worse, this non-crime “may be disclosed” in an enhanced DBS check; for “may be” read “will” and thus a person can now be (de-facto) barred from certain jobs and professions for upsetting some thin-skinned cretin.
(4) There are, generally, no counter voices within the Islamic community. There are very courageous exceptions to that, but most “moderate” Muslims keep quiet either because they are sympathetic to the aims of orthodox Islam and Muslims (if not their methods) or because they know that the orthodox will come for them too if they say anything.
As an anecdotal illustration I spoke (some while ago now) to a Muslim woman who claimed to be an agnostic, but still wore the Hijab. I asked why she did not take it off if she no longer believed in Islam. Her reply was that doing so would cause “problems”. I did not press, but I am certain that that would have been within her family the wider Muslim society.
My point is that there is immense social pressure on Muslims to conform to orthopraxy if not orthodoxy.
Sadly, as Rabbi Sachs amongst others pointed out: “What starts with the Jews never ends with the Jews”.
Or as stated in Islam “First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people”.
I increasingly believe that there can be no real coexistence with Islam or orthodox Muslims. Islam says its “job” is to dominate the world which rules out coexistence in the sense of equality between Muslims and non-Muslims. Non-Muslims can only “coexist” with Islam as persecuted Dhimmis, a fact amply illustrated by the treatment of non-Muslim minorities of all types within the Muslim world.
Your use of the term ‘Orthodox Islam’ to describe the fundamentalists/extremists is a good suggestion. This is because when one looks into the fundamentals of Islam you will find all the nasties, the hatred of others, the supremacism, the instructions to treat women like cattle etc etc.
I agree that the State in some Western Nations has not held Orthodox Muslims to the same standards as the rest of us are held. It’s a form of racism of low expectations to assume that these Orthodox Muslims should be pandered to as they don’t and can’t know better.
Spot on about the fact that police and others in authority have backed down in the face of Muslim mobs and this I’m afraid has made things worse for both the majority population and for those Muslims who are either reformers or who want to leave Islam.
There are indeed a relatively small number of brave reformers and those who will speak out against the headcases. I also agree that there are those who claim to be moderate but are anything but and also those who by their silence give tacit support to the headcases. This guy, a big noise in the PREVENT scheme, is a case in point to illustrate a pretend moderate https://www.israellycool.com/2021/05/26/anti-extremism-imam-irfan-chishti-turns-out-to-be-antisemitic-and-pro-terror/ There are also probably loads of Muslims of moderate or even reformist views who live in fear of what might happen should they speak out. Such people are endangered by the Orthodox followers of Islam and as we’ve seen quite plainly over recent years, cannot rely on the police for security or the political classes for support. Part of the problem is not just coming from within Islam but also those in authority who interact with them. They’ve not built links with genuine moderates or reformers but with the headcases as they see the headcases as more ‘authentic’ Muslims. Maybe they are correct in their assumptions but it does neither the country nor those who wish to see reform in Islam any favours.
People do need to remember the words of Rabbi Sachs ZT”L as the savagery aimed at Jews will not stop with Jews.
Maybe we should look at Pakistan for example as a cautionary tale of what happens to non Muslims when the worst forms of Islam on the planet take over a country.
Interesting F211.
I’m not quite sure that I completely go along with the “racism of low expectations” argument although I do agree that it does occur. My own view is that because the orthodox Muslims are conventionally (and conveniently) termed “extremists” (as in “nutjob-fruitcase-fringe-elements”) many don’t think they need to, or indeed should, be held to civilised standards; as I said we don’t hold the mentally insane responsible for their acts which is an entirely reasonable view.
(Of course there is the amusing point that those who insist that Islamic terrorists, who all proclaim that they are performing Jihad for Allah/Mohammed, are “suffering from mental illness” are implicitly stating that Islam is the cause of their mental illness since this is the common thread. A point on which I would largely agree.)
If people realised that the “extremist” view is actually the majority view on a global scale (allowing disagreement about method but not goal) then this excusing would stop; but the corollary is that the non-Muslim world would then actually have to confront the fact that Islam itself (I make no comment about Muslims per se) is inimical to all civilisations.
I also think that the “headcases” as you describe them are, in fact, the most authentic Muslims at least on a global level. Your pointing to Pakistan as an example of “what happens … when the worst forms of Islam take over a country” is entirely apt. I often contrast India and Pakistan/Bangledesh as Countries born on the same date with (essentially) the same ethnic stock thus very comparable, but on very different trajectories.
But again, these are not the “worst forms of Islam” (they are from the point of view of non-Muslims of course), they are the most orthodox forms and thus the best forms of Islam from the Islamic perspective. Thus again I would rephrase to “most orthodox forms of Islam”.
And it’s not just Pakistan. There are plenty of other examples of savagely persecuted non-Muslim minorities in Muslim Countries. Cynically, about the only Muslim Countries where non-Muslim minorities are NOT persecuted are those without (significant) non-Muslim populations.
Why anyone would expect “Western” Muslims to behave any differently if/when they become a majority completely baffles me.
One of history’s greatest admirers of Islam was Hitler. This is well documented. Fascism was our greatest threat in the 1st half of the with Century and in thev2nd half it was communism. Now it is resurgent Islam.
Hitler’s admiration of Islam is the dirty little secret that the Left and various Islamopanderers do not wish to be widely known. We should never forget that Adolf admired Islam more than any other faith and that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was not just an admirer or Hitler but wanted the Holocaust brought to Mandate Palestine.