Quote of the Day. 18th November 2021

 

There was an interesting article over at Unherd that I saw today written by the Reverend Giles Fraser the left leaning churchman and broadcaster. The Reverend Fraser was, as some may recall, one of the Canons at St Paul’s Cathedral in London who resigned his post in 2011 after refusing to sanction the use of force by the Church authorities to remove far left Occupy demonstrators from the Cathedral. He’s also been praised by the Stonewall group for advancing LGBT ideology within the Church of England. Although I disagree with the bulk of his views on politics there’s little doubt that he is an interesting writer.

However, today’s ‘quote of the day’ is not taken from the Reverend Fraser’s article for Unherd where he denies that the Church of England has played any role in helping Muslim illegal migrants stay in the UK by feigning conversion to Christianity. What this quote of the day is relates to one of the below the line comments which as far as I’m concerned hits the nail firmly on the head.

The commentator, who goes by the name of Matthew Powell said that rather than helping people by assuming that all conversions by Muslim illegal migrants are honest and sincere, the Church is instead helping to increase human misery by being ‘complicit’ in helping all the wrong people. He added that by taking an unquestioning and naive view that they should ‘help the migrants’ the Church is making the easy decision and not the morally correct one.

Mr Powell said:

I cannot help but feel that the church has been complicit in the trail of exploitation and suffering that benefits all the wrong people and rewards the criminal, the greedy and the naive. Every pull factor encourages the criminal trade in human trafficking and illegal immigration, the funds of which are often reinvested in perpetuating the cycle misery and suffering which drives it.

Those who arrive at these shores are disproportionately the young, the fit and the relatively wealthy for their circumstances. They have used these advantages to push to the front of the queue, trampling those more in need of help, leaving the old, the vulnerable and the sick, those most in need of our help behind. For the cost of processing, housing and supporting a single asylum seeker in the west, we could do far more to help those left behind in the camps. Migrants who abuse the system and those who support them, are taking food out of the mouths of those in need to give to the strong and call it a virtue.

It is the easy choice to welcome the illegal immigrant not the moral one. The moral one would be break the chain of suffering, exploitation and greed which runs from the people smugglers in the refugee camps of the world to upstanding members of society in the west, who hold its other end. But it is more profitable both in financial and social capital to do the opposite.

It is by a happy coincidence that those most willing to help, are those for whom mass immigration has been a financial boon, seeing their property prices rise and their labour costs fall. It is also of strange coincidence, that those who’s communities broken up and economic life degraded, by supporting these uninvited guests, are those who are least sympathetic to the migrants plight, though it is much easier to dismiss them all as bigots. There may be close to 1 million people in the UK illegally, the burden of which will not fall on the most welcoming.

I can see no case for any action which helps sustain the current degrading and inhuman system of illegal migration and asylum. But then it would look bad for someone to turn those who exploit the system away. It has always been easier to be seen to do good, than to actually do it, I believe someone long ago once commented on that.

I agree with a lot of what Mr Powell has said. If we in the West are to do the humane thing and help those that are displaced by war or other conflicts then the best way to help them is to supply aid to the immediate area or as near as damn it to the conflict zone itself. That way we can do the morally correct thing and ‘love the stranger’ and ‘defend the children and the orphans’ much more effectively than we would by just letting the sharp elbowed chancers into the West. Helping those at the point of need such as those displaced by conflict and who are living in refugee camps not only does a great deal of real good for those in need but also keeps away from our shores those, like the latest exploding ‘refugee’ who detonated himself in Liverpool, who we really should be guarding ourselves against.

The problem is that we have religious leaders,not always Christian ones sadly but left wing Jewish Rabbonim as well, who believe that by letting in these fake ‘refugees’ then Britain is doing good. The answer is sadly that this is not the way to do real good, this is the way for naive religious leaders to give the appearance of doing good but their deeds are bringing great tribulation to the working class areas where these ‘refugees’ are being settled.

Churchmen like Reverend Fraser who refuse to countenance a properly cynical view of these ‘refugees’ and the sort of Rabbonim who support the ‘refugees welcome’ movement, who are so far to the Left that they seem like they are about to start selling copies of Socialist Worker from the Bimah on a Saturday morning when they give their sermons, are not doing good. They are doing the wrong things. They are going down a path that the Prophet Isaiah said not to go down when he said at 5:20 “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” You don’t help the genuinely needy by assisting the criminal or the chancer to enter the UK as too many churches and some synagogues are doing, you help the needy in war zones by delivering aid directly to refugee camps and assist the needy at home by keeping out the fake ‘refugees’ who prey on some of the most vulnerable people in the nation.

4 Comments on "Quote of the Day. 18th November 2021"

  1. I can only repeat before you tell me how deserving the potential invaders in France are go and see for yourself the huge number of fit hardcase young men that are lurking over there. I have personally seen hundreds of them who would do or say anything to get into and stay in the land of eternal benefits. Yes there are a very few genuine cases there but the overwhelming majority are only out for what they can get out of the UK taxpayer.

    • Fahrenheit211 | November 19, 2021 at 6:17 am |

      I believe that the invaders in France are completely undeserving. They are the sharp elbowed ones who have stamped upon the genuinely needy to get to Britain and unlimited benefits. The problem is that idiotic religious leaders and the foolish ‘refugees welcome’ crowd are encouraging them not just to come here but leave their womenfolk and children behind in hell holes.

  2. Hmmm, yes…. I’d like to slightly dispute the concept of ‘unlimited benefits’ if I may….As I understand it Asylum Seekers with no other means of support (i.e. some are joining families) get tempoary housing and a limited income for their personal expenses. However, if their Asylum claims are refused they get nothing after a short interim payment, so if they don’t have contacts to get them operating in the ‘grey’ economy or worse still criminality, they are literally wandering around homeless. It’s not a good system but there is so little efficiency to pick them up and arrange deportations if the most desirable outcome. Official deportations involve negotiations with the intended host countries, and then we get onto Human Rights issues in those countries, etc.

    The solutions are difficult, and there may not be any, but a starting point may be to ask the more pertinent questions about what is actually going on before we sacrifice intelligence and questioning to adopt narrow political positions on one side or the other?

    • Fahrenheit211 | November 23, 2021 at 6:05 am |

      When we have Britons and these Britons can be of any colour, religion or background, who by circumstance find themselves in need of help from the state and the state treats these Britons like dirt whilst those who arrive as alleged refugees get housed, fed and supported, then it really does give the distinct impression that there is a two tier system, with Britons at the bottom. I agree with you that the initial support that alleged refugees get is small. but that support is more than what some Britons get and is given more freely and willingly by the State to these new arrivals than it is to Britons, who are made to jump through hoops and sometimes literally beg for help.

      Once in Britain alleged refugees can, with the help of various support groups, game the system to their advantage to an extent that people who may have paid into the system all their lives are not able to do. I certainly concur that alleged refugees disappear into the grey economy or into criminality and it’s easier to do this in Britain as unlike in many other European countries the UK has not national ID card system.

      The deportation system is I agree a mess. The Liverpool bombing case illustrated that. Part of the problem is because these illegals destroy their ID before entering it causes Britain to run into problems with the Statelessness Convention as well as the HR conventions.

      It is a difficult problem. Ideally Western nations like Britain should help people in the immediate vicinity of conflict zones as that is both cheaper and less hazardous than bringing alleged refugees to Britain. I met hundreds of people who were refugees as I was growing up, people who in their earlier lives had fled Hitler or Stalin or both who came from places as far apart as Biyalistock and Saigon and I saw how being given a refuge by Britain saved these people’s lives and they were grateful for it and showed their gratitude by contributing to the nation. The problem is those who are presenting themselves as ‘refugees’ now are not those people, they are too often country shopping chancers. I want people in need to be helped, but not at the expense of some of the most vulnerable people and communities in the country.

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