In a recent article, I declared that there are ‘Lies, damned lies and Islamic excuses’ coming from the families of those ‘British’ Muslims who had chosen to go overseas and fight Jihad. I expressed much doubt that the parents of these Jihadists were as completely in the dark as they were trying to paint themselves.
Now, entering the field of comments on the issue of the Cardiff Jihadis that can be safely filed under the category ‘yeah, right’, comes denials from a Cardiff mosque that they knew anything at all about the activities of these Jihadis, Sky news is carrying a denial by officers of the Al-Manar Centre that they knew or encouraged the Bearded Savages Nasser and Aseel Muthana to go and fight for the Jihadis in Syria. This denial by the mosque sounds suspiciously like so many other denials put out by Islamic organisations when their members have been caught out committing acts of murder and terror. Do not forget we saw similar sorts of ‘nothing to do with us’ comments coming from the Mosque in Woolwich, South East London that was attended by the savages who murdered Lee Rigby. There are now so many of these denials and they are so similar in tone that they could almost look like an agreed line that is taken when a mosque-goer is caught behaving in an uncivilised, seditious or treasonous manner.
Here’s the Sky News report on the denial by Cardiff’s Al Manar Centre that they knew anything at all about these Jihadis. The original story is in italics, whereas my comments are in plain text.
Sky News said:
A mosque in Cardiff attended by two British members of an Islamic extremist group has denied promoting extremist ideologies as Home Secretary Theresa May says 400 UK-linked citizens are fighting in Syria.
Well they are hardly likely to put their hands up to allowing or turning a blind eye to Jihadi activities are they? Of course they are going to issue a denial. This is a case where it is so obvious that ‘he would say that wouldn’t he‘
The Al-Manar Centre confirmed that the two men who appeared alongside a third British man in a recruitment video for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) had attended the mosque.
Well at least they’ve told the truth on one matter, that these two savages attended this particular mosque treason and paedophilia advocacy centre. How much else of the statement by the mosque has any relation to the truth is a matter for debate.
But it said it had never encouraged any of its members to join extremist groups fighting abroad.
I think that Britain’s non-Muslims are going to need a more convincing statement than that before we let the Al Manar Centre off the hook. There is a world of difference between saying ‘never encouraged’ and being aware of a problem of Jihadism and doing nothing about it..
Here’s a small tale in a non-Muslim context about how an organisation can ‘not encourage’ something but be aware of it and do nothing about it. A few years back, a Christian friend told me of an Anglican Church in East London which was being targeted by what could be called Christian religious extremists. These extremists were total nutjobs who were involved in stuff, like exorcisms of the mentally ill, to which the C of E were opposed. These extremists would attend this church and mingle with the congregation, picking out those congregants who were vulnerable or in a bad place socially, befriend them and get them involved in all sorts of questionable religious activities. The vicar knew this was going on but felt that she could not intervene in the practises of another Christian group. The vicar could say, quite rightly, that she ‘didn’t encourage’ these nutjobs, but they turned up all the same, if they were barred from the church then they would just hang around outside. This sounds like a very similar scenario. The Mosque may know this Jihadi recruiting is going on and may even have members and supporters who support Jihad, but by doing nothing and saying nothing they keep a bit of plausible deniability about it.
In a statement, the Al-Manar Centre said: “It is worth mentioning that ACT’s stance is well known, that we are opposed to going to Syria or any other country, to participate in an armed struggle and have always made this clear.
“We have on many occasions tackled the issues of extreme ideologies. Indeed, feeling the responsibilities towards our local community, especially those concerning the youth, we have engaged with parents warning against such dangers.
Is it possible that we in the majority population could have some credible evidence of this ‘tackling of extreme ideologies’ please? At present we only really have the mosque’s word that this discouragement has been going on, and many of us have learned from bitter experience not to trust the words that come out of the mouths of Islamic spokespersons, without concrete evidence that these people are telling the truth.
“We would like to emphasise that the vast majority of the local Muslim community are law abiding British citizens.
The issue is not that the local Muslims are law-abiding, but how many of them tacitly and quietly approve of Jihad? You can be a law-abiding person but still support horrendous ideologies or political paths. I’ve met many people who obey the law but in their personal lives are quite happy to support what I consider oppressive political paths. Being ‘law-abiding’ doesn’t preclude a person having appalling views.
“May we reiterate our concerns that the internet has become an alarming source for radicalisation of such vulnerable members of our British society.”
The Al Manar Centre needs to get real on the source of ‘radicalisation’. It is not the internet that is turning these young men to murder, hatred and treason, it is the contents of the Koran itself. This is a displacement comment by the mosque, as the exhortations to hatred and violence contained in in the Islamic ‘Big Book of Death’ are for Muslims much more convincing than a few videos on You Tube, or websites of an Islamic extremist nature.
In the video posted to YouTube, students Nasser Muthana and Reyaad Khan, both aged 20 and from Cardiff, and Abdul Raqib Amin, who was brought up in Aberdeen, urged Westerners to join the fighting in Iraq and Syria.
Nasser Muthana’s father Ahmed told Sky News last week that he believed his son was radicalised in a mosque in the United Kingdom, but did now know which one.
Muthana’s brother Aseel is also known to be fighting with ISIS.
Hands up who thinks the father of these two Islamic traitors is being economical with the truth. I, and others, believe that there is the distinct smell of bullshit coming from the family over this matter.
Home Secretary Theresa May has said the latest figures suggest the number of UK-linked individuals who have gone to fight in Syria currently stands at about 400.
She told Sky News that to prevent them returning home and posing a threat to UK citizens, “we need to exercise every tool that we have.”
She said that included that capability to monitor the communications of those who are suspected of taking part in extremist activity who “pose a very real threat.”
Ms May, of course these Jihadi savages ‘pose a very real threat’, the question is what are you going to do about them? It is also unlikely that there are only 400 ‘British’ Muslims fighting for Islamic fascism overseas. Knowing how Islam has a propensity for violence and oppression, the figure of 400 looks like a fantasy figure, especially in the light of recent claims by a Labour MP that there are at least 1,500 British-born Jihadi Islamofascists active in various places.
Meanwhile, the Archbishop of York has called on religious leaders to make sure young people are not “brainwashed” into fighting and killing in the name of their faith.
Dr John Sentamu told Sky News they had “a duty to work together” to tackle the problem of UK youths being radicalised and recruited as jihadists.
It is possible that Dr Sentamu, being a well-respected Christian theologian, is ignoring the elephant in the room. When he uses the term ‘religious leaders’ he gives the false impression that the problem of young people being encouraged to kill in the name of faith is a cross-religious problem. Well it isn’t. It is a Muslim problem and there is nothing to be gained by pretending otherwise. We don’t see Britain’s Chief Rabbi presiding over a religious movement hell bent on encouraging violent religious oppression, nor do we see such behaviour from the Moderator of the Church of Scotland or the Methodists. We certainly do not see violent religious hatred coming from Sikhs, Hindus or Jains, who have lived among us for many many decades. This is an Islam problem. It is not a ‘religious problem’ per se, but purely a problem that is attached to the violent and hateful ideology of Islam.
Dr Sentamu said: “I don’t want to use the word radicalising. I think it is brainwashing. We don’t want our young people to be brainwashed believing really a lie, that by fighting and killing another person your religion becomes better.
“All religious leaders, whatever tradition they come from, have got a duty to work together to make sure that our young people are not being brainwashed into some kind of nonsense.”
Again, Dr Sentamu has unnecessarily widened the scope of this problem by making it seem as if this radicalisation and brainwashing is a problem for all faiths, when it plainly is not. Maybe Dr Sentamu should take off the politically correct rose-tinted spectacles and bite the bullet and call a spade a spade and Islam a religion of hatred and violence. It would also help Dr Sentamu’s credibility on this issue if he looked into how his co-religionists are being treated in the lands where Islam rules, before he makes statements that claim dishonestly that Islam is like other faiths, when so obviously it is not.
So who believes the denials from the Cardiff mosque, that they knew nothing? I don’t know about you, but I trust such denials about as much as I would trust someone who insisted on trying to sell me a third-hand car at night, under a street lamp and in the rain. I’m picking up the pervasive smell of bull crap from this mosque, who else thinks so as well?