Guest Post – What survivors of CSE really say

Last month this blog published some guest posts by Hobbedhod about the academic reaction to the issue of Islamic Rape Gang activity and also how various ‘woke’ folk can at heart be deeply unpleasant.  From reading this article it appears that Hobbehod is claiming that some left leaning academics are failing to see, possibly because they are blinded by their ideology, to supremacist attitudes that exist in the minds of some Muslim men.  Whilst nobody in their right mind would claim that all Muslim men are rapists or sex offenders, our society does itself no favours by failing to admit that for some Muslim rapists, there is a religious and cultural driver for these offences.  Here’s the latest installment from Hobbedhod.

What Survivors Really Say

By Hobbehod

Back in March I wrote a Guest Post drawing attention to the dishonesty of two leftist academics who would have it that the grooming gang epidemic which plagues our country is essentially a racialised myth which does not conform to any reality occurring on the ground. I drew attention to the far left/Islamist associations of these academics – Drs Ella Cockbain/Waqas Tufail – and the sleight of hand by which they had passed off the authoritative Jay Report as “methodologically dubious” in order to deny the existence and scale of the horrific epidemic  which they pass off as “a spurious media construct and one that has been heavily racialised from the very start”.
https://www.fahrenheit211.net/2020/03/12/guest-post-the-devils-in-the-detail-leftist-academic-denialism-and-the-islamic-rape-gang-scandal/

This is a matter of some importance as “Dr Ella Cockbain is an Associate Professor in the Department of Security and Crime Science at University College London (UCL) and a visiting research fellow at Leiden University in the Netherlands. Her research focuses in particular on human trafficking, child sexual exploitation and labour exploitation.”
http://www.csap.cam.ac.uk /network/ella-cockbain/

It really matters whether or not her advice is impartial and to be relied upon. The evidence of her paper co-authored with Waqas Tufail would suggest not:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0306396819895727

Following on from my post of March 12th I wish to drill down a little further today for it seems to me that dishonest sleight of hand positively oozes from the Cockbain/Tufail paper.  For instance they find it deplorable that “information appears cherry picked to support a central thesis that regressive Pakistani culture drives abuse of white British girls”. In refutation of such a demonising racialised trope they assert that “evidence (some anecdotal) is gradually amassing that the existence, experiences and welfare of victims/survivors who deviate from now entrenched stereo-types can be neglected”. In plain English they claim that survivors are onside with them and to that apparent end they have published several tweets:

“Survivors have spoken out against their and others’ experiences being weaponised for political gain, particularly by the far Right which uses ‘them as a weapon for racism just the same way they were used for sex by their abusers’ (@KateElysiaNWO, author).141 Some report experiencing verbal abuse as a result:
Tommy [Robinson] doesn’t support the cause I fight for, he peddles hate and right wing extremism in my opinion. . . [@HollyArcher_CSE, author and support worker].142

. . . The amount of abuse I’ve had from them for not fitting the agenda/supporting TR [Tommy Robinson] is unbelievable (they were ok talking about my story until they realised I wasn’t Abused only by
Muslims – then suddenly they felt my kids needed throwing in the English Channel) [@MsCaitSpencer, author].143″

The first point to make is that this anecdotal evidence has nothing to say about whether “regressive Pakistani (Muslim) culture” drives the abuse of white girls one way or the other. As to Tommy Robinson I incline to the view that he is a much demonised individual campaigning against profound wrong, but let that go. Nor sadly, according to their own accounts, was the reprehensible abuse and rejection survivors suffered by any means the sole preserve of the far right, however that term may be defined.
What I do find absolutely reprehensible and contemptibly dishonest is that Cockbain and Tufail have blithely ignored the elephant in the room – the published accounts of survivors demonstrate quite unequivocally that “regressive Pakistani (Muslim) culture” absolutely drives the abuse of white girls. This is a staggering piece of dishonesty which can only be politically motivated.

Let us firstly turn to the case of Ms Caitlin Spencer whose harrowing account “Please let me go” I read recently. It is desperately sad and upsetting, the brutal ruination of a young girl by evil exploitative men operating within the framework of a frankly evil culture.

“Caitlin’s parents were unforgivably, unaccountably neglectful of her and at the age of 14 this innocent young girl was compromised by an evil white man for purposes of sexual exploitation(and subsequently abused by white men here and in Australia at times)). However, the vast majority of the abuse she suffered was controlled and committed by “Asian” men. She was trafficked, repeatedly raped and gang raped, subjected to anal rape, sexual torture, bondage and beating. What stands out from the page is the sheer inhuman hatred displayed by these Pakistani Muslim abusers. They positively revelled in their cruel usage of her, for whom they had nothing but the profoundest racial and religious contempt. They often boasted that they were sanctioned to do act in this bestial way by their racist attitudes and their faith. Observant Muslims thought nothing of going to the Mosque to pray and return late to rape her again. The psychological trauma inflicted on Ms Spencer, which included self-harm and suicide attempts, was absolutely devastating. She was robbed of her adolescence and any possibility of normal relationships. Stress and fear were and are a constant – appallingly she was made aware that her young daughters were prospective grooming gang targets.

I am aware that Ms Spencer does not wish that her testimony be quoted lest it serves possible agendas, and out respect for her wishes I have refrained from verbatim quotes of the horrible things that were said and done to her. It may be that Drs Cockbain/Tufail are not without agendas themselves, for Ms Spencer’s account is the most devastating indictment of Pakistani Muslim gang grooming I have read, and I am sure that there is nothing the far left would like better than if “Please let me go” had never seen the light of day in the first place. This is a cautionary tale, beware false friends.

I do think it right though to quote verbatim the final extract of Ms Spencer’s speech to the House of Lords given in 2015

“These men find it OK to rape non-Muslim girls. It’s in their culture. It is a brutal cult and needs to be stopped. They used to call me a white bitch and a whore and said “this is what white girls are for”. It took me a long time to understand their claims about the link between Islam’s teachings and what they were doing. What I want you all to do now is stop being politically correct and to deal with the truth. Admit that this is being done mainly by Pakistani Muslims, stop saying Asians. And admit this hasn’t stopped.There are other young British girls who are still suffering today in the way I suffered at the hands of men who should be behind bars.

Thank you for listening”

It is a great pity that the regressive leftist culture Cockbain and Tufail operate in stops their ears, closes their ears and zips their mouths.

Let’s now turn to the testimony of Ms Kate Elysia of which our academics have been similarly neglectful. I instanced her terrible experience in a previous Guest Post
Sexual abuse was a constant thing now. It didn’t even seem like abuse any more, it seemed normal life.
“The Pakistani men I came into contact with made me believe I was nothing more than a s**t, a white w***e. They treated me like a leper, apart from when they wanted sex.
“I was less than human to them, I was rubbish.”
Victim of Birmingham grooming gangs raped and abused by 70 men

Kate Elysia tells in new book how she considered suicide after first being targeted while an 18-year-old student

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/brave-victim-birmingham-grooming-gangs-14899589

Little evidence here of a regressive Pakistani Muslim culture obviously!
In an interview with the estimable Sargon of Akkad Ms Elysia reveals the sheer hatred of white English girls which the rapists hold – it is well worth the watching. In fact Ms Elysia goes so far as to compare the rape gang epidemic in Britain with the rape campaign carried out
by the Pakistani army in East Bengal in 1971, claiming that the same modus operandi is evident in both cases. Rape she says is used as a weapon of war and that what is occurring in the UK is “almost like a rape genocide” – genocide not in terms of extermination but of the destruction of the mental health of women and a supremacist attack of one community upon another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbnFbVlIt_k&feature=youtu.be

What more proof of the existence of a “regressive Pakistani Muslim culture” driving the abuse of white British girls is required? And how is it could have passed such esteemed academics by? If it is any comfort to the dishonourable duo the third survivor whose tweet they included in their paper(Holly Archer – “I never gave my consent” –  makes no claim that her abuse was racially and religiously driven. She has however tweeted as follows making it abundantly clear of whom the grooming gangs consist and indicating some of their methodology:

I think the point is proved that and there is little more to be said. We know that the grooming gang review in some form is to be published this year. It is essential that what finally emerges should be as full, free, frank and no holds barred as possibly. To this end it is excellent that Ms Sarah Champion has been appointed to the review, it is equally to be hoped that Drs Cockbain and Tufail play no part in it whatsoever.

As a finale a survivor has kindly reviewed this piece and has made the following observations;

“I would suggest that they(Cockbain/Tufail) significantly fail to acknowledge that grooming gang crime is racially and religiously motivated sexual assault. And it is not racist to say so. Many survivors say that the people doing the ‘racialising’ are the racist Muslim perpetrators.”
I’d reiterate that survivor testimonies should be heard in full. Survivors who are saying this is racially and religiously-aggravated rape want that to be acknowledged. Their experiences should not be whitewashed and stripped of any reference to race or religion, when they are very fairly talking about racist and religious abuses carried out against them. Censoring a person of any other race from talking about their experiences of racism would be unforgivable.

Many grooming gang survivors have been exploited and abused by far-left groups too. They’re doing the very thing that they accuse others of (exploiting survivor stories for their own political and financial gain).

And on that powerful note, we end

1 Comment on "Guest Post – What survivors of CSE really say"

  1. Cockbain/Tufail: “Orientalist stereotypes of Muslim men, the demonisation of whole communities and demands for collective responsibility.”
    Now that would be dreadful wouldn’t it, to demand collective responsibility for the actions of a minority of those most peaceful of people.
    Yet BLM etc. is demanding collective responsibility from whites for actions carried out literally centuries ago.

    No double standards here I’m glad to say.

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