UK Govt minister sucks up to Islam again and calls for ‘more school mosque visits’

This is Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth. He's a minister at the Dept of Housing Communities and Local Govt and he wants more of our children forced to be taken on mosque trips.

 

There are a number of members of both the Lower and Upper Houses of the British Parliament who consistently either pander to Islam and its followers to a greater or lesser degree, or say nothing or shout down those Parliamentarians who ask awkward questions about this ideology. Some of those who stay silent when other Peers or Members of Parliament try to bring up the matter of the problems that Islam has brought to the United Kingdom in their respective chambers, are doing so out of cowardice, a fear of being called ‘racist’ or ‘Islamophobic’. Others cynically stay silent in our Parliament because of fears of career damage if they should speak up.

However Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth is a Parliamentarian who is neither keeping quiet about Islam for reasons of cowardice and for cynical career protection reasons. This peer is a full-on Islamopanderer of the most disgraceful kind.

Lord Bourne never seems to lose any chance to appease and fellate the ideology of Islam. He has been an Undersecretary of State at the Department of Housing, Communities and Local Government since 2016 with responsibilities that include ‘community cohesion’ a phrase that now conjours up for many the reality of a policy of appeasing Islam and keeping Muslims sweet. It has been during Lord Bourne’s time in this ‘community cohesion’ position that at least two million pounds has been thrown at a particularly troubling Islamic group called Tell Mama in order for this group to fight ‘Islamophobia’. Back in early 2017 Lord Bourne wrote a letter about Tell Mama, praising this group, to a correspondent of the Fahrenheit211 blog who had questioned the wisdom of funding a group that had seemed to some been engaged in a considerable amount of dishonesty and statistical sleight of hand in how it measured ‘Islamophobia’ following the Islamic murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby. You can see a scan of the letter from Lord Bourne and background to the Tell Mama case by clicking on this link.

But back to today and Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth has a whole lot more Islamopandering for you. He’s calling for all schoolchildren to be taken, presumably forcefully and without the informed consent of parents, on educational mosque visits. Lord Bourne has stated that he believes that these mosque visits would go a long way to reducing ‘Islamophobia’.

I must admit that as both a Briton and a parent, I’m horrified by Lord Bourne’s suggestion. I’m even more horrified by the prospect of Lord Bourne’s enthusiasm for taking non Muslim kids on mosque visits to be indoctrinated with lies about Islam, becoming a coercive government policy. The sort of unctuous enthusiasm that Lord Bourne expresses for the idea and practise of ‘persuading’ parents to send their kids on mosque visits should send a shiver down any British parent’s spine, and probably make some consider whether home schooling is better than enforced Islam in the local schools.

According to the British Christian news station Premier Radio, Lord Bourne told The Times newspaper on Monday 17th September that ‘sending non Muslim children to mosque visits was a way of tackling ‘Islamophobia’ among parents’. Lord Bourne also said that he wanted more schools to send more children on mosque visits. The peer did not state how we could get more children to be taken on these trips but we I believe we should not, based on Lord Bourne’s vomit-inducing Islamophilia, rule out that some form of coercion or ‘persuasion’ is involved in getting permission for a child to go on these trips. We are already seeing ‘respect for others belief systems’, in reality an exaggerated respect for Islam, creeping into the ‘British Values’ and ‘PREVENT’ sections of various schools policies of what seems to be the vast majority of schools. The way these policies are worded and the legal weight behind them implies that any parent who does not respect and abase themselves and their families before the seventh century savagery of Islam could be classed by the Establishment, as either extremists or lacking in respect for ‘British values’. As parents we must have the right to choose whether or not to expose our children to dangerous or troubling ideologies such as Islam, Communism or Fascism and to decide how to speak to our children about them. If we do not have such a freedom to make such decisions for our children then none of us, whether parent or child, can truly be considered to be free. Compulsory mosque visits are an affront against the whole concept of freedom of conscience, something Lord Bourne, a former law lecturer, should have understood.

Here’s the Premier Radio story about the latest outbreak of noxious Islamophilia from Lord Bourne. As is usual policy for this blog the original text is in italics whereas my comments are in plain text.

Premier Radio said:

The faith minister says he wants more schools to take pupils on trips to mosques.

Bollocks to that. Maybe Lord Bourne should ask just why so many parents, including myself, do say no to the idea of our children visiting the local base of an ideology whose guiding theology is based about hatred for the ‘other’, the non-Muslim?

Lord Bourne said in The Times on Monday that he hopes it will hopefully stamp out Islamophobia among mums and dads.

More Islam appeasing guff from Lord Bourne. Again, the Noble Lord seems to be looking in the wrong place. Maybe this ‘Islamophobia’ does not come from unthinking bigotry, maybe this parental ‘Islamophobia’ comes from a good understanding of what Islam is, what Islam isn’t and the problems that Islam has brought to the United Kingdom. I would say that the objectors to enforced Islam indoctrination in schools are probably better informed about what it is like to live cheek by jowl with Islam, an experience that Lord Bourne patently has not had. It is possible that this lack of awareness on the part of Lord Bourne of what it is like to live with Islam up close and personal, unlike many Islam objectors, comes from his background. He went straight from grammar school to university and then into academia before entering regional Welsh politics and then national politics. Lord Bourne, like a number of other Islamopanderers, has never had to live with the rape gangs, the political and religious extremism, or the anti social behaviour that has so often accompanied Islamic communities in the United Kingdom.

“Occasionally you find that parents are saying, ‘We’re not sure we want our kids to go to the local mosque’,” he said.

I happen to believe that these parents are correct. I’d no more want to send my small child on a mosque visit than let him play with loaded firearms. The parents who are resisting know what Islam is all about and are quite rightly protecting their children from it.

“They are then persuaded by the school that it’s a good idea and the kids come back and tell them about it and the parents then say, ‘Oh, that’s interesting, perhaps we’ll visit ourselves’.”

There is the strong smell of BS about this particular statement and also a lot to worry about. I don’t know of any but the most naive and stupid of people who would change their minds so completely with such rapidity over an issue like this. I suspect that Lord Bourne is taking one individual case of parents who caved in to coercion or honeyed lies from a school about a mosque visit and has extrapolated it to mean ‘many’ rather than just ‘one’. I find it preposterous in the extreme that the sort of scenario espoused by Lord Bourne could have played out in the manner that he describes it.

Premier added:

Another suggestion from Lord Bourne is a twinning system which helps churches and mosques work together.

Oh great, more fluffy, useless interfaith work. This will be exploited by Islamic groups to promote a false view of Islam as being equivalent to Christianity with regards moral codes. It only takes a little bit of study of Islam to know that the ‘values’ of Islam are markedly different from and deficient to the moral values of Christianity and by extension Judaism. This ‘twinning’ idea will probably be used by some quite nasty mosques and Islamic groups to try to sanitise Islam by associating with the churches. This sort of thing has happened before most notably with the Citizens UK ‘social action’ organisation. A few years back, one of CUK’s constituent groups, an extremism-linked mosque, the East London Mosque, used the fact that it was working with Jewish groups within Citizens UK in order to whitewash this mosque and to divert public attention from the multitude of hate preachers and Jew haters that have found a home at this mosque. ‘Look we are friends with Jews’ shouted the friends and associates of a mosque that had, and still has, a long record for associating with and promoting extremists.

The only groups that will benefit from this twinning plan are various shady and shifty mosques and Islamic groups and the ‘nice but dim’s’ who make up far too much of Britain’s interfaith movement. I predict, knowing what I know about Islam and how it operates in the UK, that this bright idea of Lord Bourne’s will do little more than provide a PR opportunity to those who hate and despise us and who do so because their ‘Allah’ told them to do so.

Lord Bourne is an example of the very worst sort of Islamopanderer to occupy a government office in the UK. He seems to see no wrong with Islam as an ideology and probably also believes in the myth of the ‘tiny minority of Islamic extremists’. I would not be surprised to find out at some point that Lord Bourne probably takes much of his knowledge of Islam from those who have a vested interest in promoting a narrative about it that differs from the reality of Islam that the rest of experience and suffer from. It’s not Lord Bourne’s relatives or Lord Bourne himself who has to live in fear of Islamic rape gangs or street violence dished out to non Muslims by Muslims or any of the other realities of those lives of Britons who live juxtaposed to the followers of an ideology that sees these Britons as little more than ‘kufar’ or ‘scum’.

Lord Bourne could have used his position and his prodigious knowledge of the law and of government to speak the truth about the ideology of Islam, the truth that millions have to live with and suffer from in Britain and the world every day. Unfortunately Lord Bourne did not do this, instead he has become little more than Islam’s ‘hired man’ and one who is very much in favour of ‘persuading’ parents to submit their children to mosque visits that are little more than brainwashing sessions to get children to believing the falsity that Islam is a religion of peace·

I find that I can forgive people in governmental authority for naivety, or even for being fearful of the effects on careers for speaking out, as we can all be subject to naivety or fear of consequences. However, I find that cannot find any excuse or have anything other than utter contempt for politicians like Lord Bourne who have become little more than mouthpieces for the ideology of Islam and promoters of pro-Islam propaganda. Lord Bourne has by his own choices, seemingly created for himself the disgraceful and disreputable position as Islam’s ‘Lord Haw Haw’ at the Department of Housing Communities and Local Government, and that is a shameful place for any man who wishes to consider themselves honourable to find themselves.

Links

Original Premier Radio article.

https://www.premierchristianradio.com/News/UK/Faith-minister-suggests-school-mosque-trips-as-answer-to-Islamophobia-amongst-parents

Lord Bourne responds with praise of the Tell Mama group to a criticism of this group (which his department funds) from a correspondent of and contact for this blog.

https://www.fahrenheit211.net/2017/02/01/tell-mama-wasting-taxpayers-money-a-government-minister-responds/

A short article on the ‘Nice-but-Dim’s’ of Britain’s Interfaith world

https://www.fahrenheit211.net/2016/06/15/nice-but-dim-a-short-assessment-of-britains-interfaith-crowd/

Government approved biography of Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

https://www.gov.uk/government/people/lord-bourne-of-aberystwyth

Wiki biography on Lord Bourne with a section on his involvement whilst a Welsh politician in a poison pen dossier scandal that was aimed at politically harming former Welsh First Minister Rhodri Morgan. Lord Bourne initially denied involvement in this dossier but later admitted that it was he who signed this dossier off. Lord Bourne is obviously no stranger to dishonest political hackery as he admitted knowledge of the existence in the dossier and his involvement in it. This aspect of his character should maybe be kept in mind when examining his relationship with the ‘religion of exploding to pieces

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Bourne#Scandals

A brief perusal of the website ‘They Work For You’ brought up a gem of an example of abject Islamopandering from Lord Bourne. In response to a question in the House of Lords from Lord Pearson of Rannoch (UKIP) asking about the influence on British mosques of the conservative and theologically hard line Deobandi Islamic movement, Lord Bourne said:

The Deobandi movement is part of the rich diversity of the Islamic faith in the UK and its followers play an important role in many mosques and madrassas. As set out in our Integrated Communities Strategy, the Government is firmly committed to the principle of freedom of religion and belief and we are working with local faith institutions to help make sure they are well-equipped to support local faith communities.”

You will note that there is no criticism of the Deobandi’s actions in the UK even though some of the actions and attitudes of Deobandi organisations and individuals deserves criticism. There was of course the usual guff about ‘freedom of religion’ from Lord Bourne and ‘supporting faith communities’ but not as far as I or anybody else can see any acknowledgement that the Deobandis may not be as pure as the driven snow.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2018-07-24.HL9878.h&s=speaker%3A25192#gHL9878.r0

Article from Fahrenheit 211 about the Citizens UK organisation

https://www.fahrenheit211.net/2017/02/15/citizens-uk-working-against-the-real-british-common-good-working-against-the-rest-of-us/

Article from centre-left site Harry’s Place which also contains criticisms, although from a different point of view than mine, of the Citizens UK group and those who associate with themselves

http://hurryupharry.org/2011/07/21/london-citizens-stand-by-their-man/

3 Comments on "UK Govt minister sucks up to Islam again and calls for ‘more school mosque visits’"

  1. A further point is that, as I understand it, these visits to mosques often include the schoolchildren being ‘shown how to pray Islamically’. This means that they are encouraged to prostrate themselves in Muslim fashion, and are taught to repeat the Islamic Profession of Faith, the Shahada: ‘There is no god but allah, and mohammed is his prophet’, usually spoken in Arabic.

    This might seem harmless enough but in the eyes of Muslims, speaking these words out loud means that you have converted to Islam. Would Muslims allow their kids to go on school visits to churches, during which they would be baptised? Most secular or atheist parents would not allow this to be done to their kids, let alone Muslim parents. There would be bloody hell to pay.

    But because you might not be religious and therefore inclined to let it slide (as it’s all just a lot of nonsense, really, isn’t it? Religion, I mean.), consider how it looks from a Muslim perspective. Because, make no doubt about it, Muslims are sincere and ardent in their religion. The UK state ships kuffar children into the Mosques by the busload, where they are then inducted into the Islamic faith whilst their leftist teacher stand by smiling benignly. Even though this may not be how you perceive it, it is exactly how Muslims perceive it. Consider it from their point of view. Consider the implications that they might draw from it.

  2. How many school trips involve taking Muslim kids to churches?

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